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András Puiz	Thursday 27 May 2004 8:51:38 pm Hi, I'm confused about what constitutes a site. I chose to have a "news" site. But now I have a "news_admin" and a "news" ... whatever. Site? Don't know. Are these two sites? Or two interfaces to the same site? In any case, when I want to go to the user site (using that URL), I'll be faced with admin login. In my siteaccess folder, I only have an "admin" subfolder. Shouldn't I also have "news"? Or "news_admin"? Did the installer mess up something? Can I recover it somehow? There seems to be no way of telling what categories are on the same conceptual level. Is it "admin" vs. "user"? Or "news admin" vs. "news"? Is "news" on the same level as "admin"? Or "news admin"? Is there an independent "admin" category that's not associated with "news"? Aaaaaargh!!!! People, this is just <b>so</b> confusing. Will eZ publish <b>ever</b> be really <b>easy</b>? I try installing it once every three years or so, but I always give up.
Tore Skobba	Thursday 27 May 2004 11:33:04 pm Hi All EZ sites must at least have two views/desings. That is an user view and a administrator view. You therefore have two views at least, news which is the user view and news_admin which is the administrator view (admin is also an view for you if you set up the siteaccess, however, it will be excactly the same as news_admin, unless you do some serious configuration of the news_admin view). The user and administrator view gives you various functionality on the SAME data. However, you can have several different datasets, but then each dataset has at least to views, admin and user, two datasets also very often means two different sites. Therefore user and admin are on the same level. Think of each "view" as glasses and a set of tools to use on the same data. Which view you are using is decided by the URL. I.e. localhost/index.php/news -> News user view, localhost/index.php/news_admin -> Admin view. If you in your siteaccess folder only have an admin subfolder then it seems as NONE of the packages where installed (packages are here sites, such as news, shop etc.). I recommend to reinstall and CHECK the packages you want to install. Each view will always have an siteaccess folder defning how that view get its data and where its design is (in addition to other special configuartion for that view). Design and view is used as the same here. Cheers Tore For some docs see here: http://www.ez.no/ez_publish/documentation/toc/(from)/36647 http://www.sitepoint.com/article/ez-publish-3-1-take-spin
Peter Quennell	Friday 28 May 2004 9:02:59 am Andras: You have tried EZP every 3 years? As in 3, 6 , 9 and 12 years ago? Great. That is some persistence... [: - ) Postnuke is an easy and very likeable CMS but the gulf opening up now between Postnuke and EZ Publish is about as wide as the Atlantic. We are setting up several sites for handling some economic processes. Although I knew blogs (there are some great economic blogs), only three months ago the CMS concept was hardly on our radar. And only one month ago, EZ Publish was still not on our radar. Getting to here, we worked through a whole bunch of other CMS programs, one by one, from Postnuke upwards, learning a lot as we moved along. Our great Linux techie got a little bored at times and wanted to call it quits with this or that program. But I was fixated on what scaleability our sites are going to require in the long run, year after year, and after he installed I did a lot of the testing, kept pressing for more, and finally called it very firmly for EZP. (Techie's happy. Real happy.) EZP was actually one of the easier ones to get up and running and to start work on. My eyes popped out at some of the things it can do (V3.4) right out of the box. So think horses for courses maybe? Start by defining how much capability you really need and then follow a process. And especially keep a link real handy to this tremendous comparison site: http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix It saved us weeks all by itself. WEEKS. That site is EZP's best sales tool...

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András Puiz

Thursday 27 May 2004 8:51:38 pm

Hi,

I'm confused about what constitutes a site. I chose to have a "news" site. But now I have a "news_admin" and a "news" ... whatever. Site? Don't know. Are these two sites? Or two interfaces to the same site?

In any case, when I want to go to the user site (using that URL), I'll be faced with admin login.

In my siteaccess folder, I only have an "admin" subfolder. Shouldn't I also have "news"? Or "news_admin"? Did the installer mess up something? Can I recover it somehow?

There seems to be no way of telling what categories are on the same conceptual level. Is it "admin" vs. "user"? Or "news admin" vs. "news"? Is "news" on the same level as "admin"? Or "news admin"? Is there an independent "admin" category that's not associated with "news"?

Aaaaaargh!!!! People, this is just so confusing. Will eZ publish ever be really easy? I try installing it once every three years or so, but I always give up.

Tore Skobba

Thursday 27 May 2004 11:33:04 pm

All EZ sites must at least have two views/desings. That is an user view and a administrator view. You therefore have two views at least, news which is the user view and news_admin which is the administrator view (admin is also an view for you if you set up the siteaccess, however, it will be excactly the same as news_admin, unless you do some serious configuration of the news_admin view). The user and administrator view gives you various functionality on the SAME data. However, you can have several different datasets, but then each dataset has at least to views, admin and user, two datasets also very often means two different sites. Therefore user and admin are on the same level. Think of each "view" as glasses and a set of tools to use on the same data. Which view you are using is decided by the URL. I.e. localhost/index.php/news -> News user view, localhost/index.php/news_admin -> Admin view.

If you in your siteaccess folder only have an admin subfolder then it seems as NONE of the packages where installed (packages are here sites, such as news, shop etc.). I recommend to reinstall and CHECK the packages you want to install. Each view will always have an siteaccess folder defning how that view get its data and where its design is (in addition to other special configuartion for that view). Design and view is used as the same here.

Cheers
Tore

For some docs see here:
http://www.ez.no/ez_publish/documentation/toc/(from)/36647

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/ez-publish-3-1-take-spin

Peter Quennell

Friday 28 May 2004 9:02:59 am

Andras:

You have tried EZP every 3 years? As in 3, 6 , 9 and 12 years ago? Great. That is some persistence... [: - )

Postnuke is an easy and very likeable CMS but the gulf opening up now between Postnuke and EZ Publish is about as wide as the Atlantic.

We are setting up several sites for handling some economic processes. Although I knew blogs (there are some great economic blogs), only three months ago the CMS concept was hardly on our radar. And only one month ago, EZ Publish was still not on our radar.

Getting to here, we worked through a whole bunch of other CMS programs, one by one, from Postnuke upwards, learning a lot as we moved along. Our great Linux techie got a little bored at times and wanted to call it quits with this or that program.

But I was fixated on what scaleability our sites are going to require in the long run, year after year, and after he installed I did a lot of the testing, kept pressing for more, and finally called it very firmly for EZP. (Techie's happy. Real happy.)

EZP was actually one of the easier ones to get up and running and to start work on. My eyes popped out at some of the things it can do (V3.4) right out of the box.

So think horses for courses maybe? Start by defining how much capability you really need and then follow a process. And especially keep a link real handy to this tremendous comparison site: http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix

It saved us weeks all by itself. WEEKS. That site is EZP's best sales tool...