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Blazej Marcinek	Saturday 26 May 2007 7:58:12 am Hi, A major polish hosting provider (home.pl) has recently announced that PHP 4 will be available on their servers only until end of 2007. Looking at current EZ roadmap plan to release of PHP 5 compatible version by end 2007/beginning 2008, I suppose it won't be ready by end of year. I know about Kristoff's fork, so I'm glad there's a fallback - but I wonder if there is any chance to speed up "official" PHP 5 support release. I wonder how many people/sites are facing such PHP 4 withdrawal pressure. Kind regards, Blazej
Paul Borgermans	Saturday 26 May 2007 2:15:21 pm Hi Kristof's port drives at least one production site (one of ours). There are still some bugs to solve, but most really works. And faster than the PHP4 version :-) So go download it from pubsvn.ez.no, use it and report back bugs you found. The more people do this, the faster an official release will be out. Regards Paul eZ Publish, eZ Find, Solr expert consulting and training http://twitter.com/paulborgermans
Xavier Dutoit	Sunday 27 May 2007 11:39:36 pm Faster than php4 ? I'd love to hear more about the port in skien on saturday. X+ http://www.sydesy.com
Piotrek Karaś	Sunday 03 June 2007 11:30:31 am Paul, you wrote: <i>So go download it from pubsvn.ez.no, use it and report back bugs you found. The more people do this, the faster an official release will be out.</i> What do you exactly mean by an official release? I thought there wasn't going to be an official port until version eZ Publish 4.0 (or whatever it is going to be called). -- Company: mediaSELF Sp. z o.o., http://www.mediaself.pl eZ references: http://ez.no/partners/worldwide_partners/mediaself eZ certified developer: http://ez.no/certification/verify/272585 eZ blog: http://ez.ryba.eu
Paul Borgermans	Sunday 03 June 2007 12:25:35 pm Hi Piotrek eZ publish 4.0 will be the current effort + more bug fixes + some undisclosed bchanges (and thus be based on the 3.9x releases). So help us finding remaining issuesb (it is already quite stable, at least one production site uses it); Are you attending the conference? If so, you will find out a lot more. Cheers Paul eZ Publish, eZ Find, Solr expert consulting and training http://twitter.com/paulborgermans
Piotrek Karaś	Monday 04 June 2007 12:03:20 pm In that case I might just do that, or at least give it a try. Unfortunately, won't be there at the conference, so I hope to hear some leaks ;) -- Company: mediaSELF Sp. z o.o., http://www.mediaself.pl eZ references: http://ez.no/partners/worldwide_partners/mediaself eZ certified developer: http://ez.no/certification/verify/272585 eZ blog: http://ez.ryba.eu
Piotrek Karaś	Wednesday 13 June 2007 3:32:08 am So, any interesting news concerning PHP5 and eZ Publish' roadmap after the conference? -- Company: mediaSELF Sp. z o.o., http://www.mediaself.pl eZ references: http://ez.no/partners/worldwide_partners/mediaself eZ certified developer: http://ez.no/certification/verify/272585 eZ blog: http://ez.ryba.eu
Bruce Morrison	Wednesday 13 June 2007 4:15:16 pm Hi Piotrek I wasn't at the conference (maybe next year :) but http://ez.no/ezpublish/roadmap seems to indicate that eZ 4.0 would be a php5 port of eZ Publish. I believe that some one involved in the community port project may now have a much closer relationship with eZ systems. Than again this could all be unsubstantiated rumours and speculation. Be great to get an official response. Cheers Bruce My Blog: http://www.stuffandcontent.com/ Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/brucemorrison Consolidated eZ Publish Feed : http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ez-publish
Piotrek Karaś	Wednesday 13 June 2007 9:59:42 pm An official response is exactly what I'm waiting for. I'm aware of the roadmap that you provided a link to. I thought maybe the conference brought some modifications or adjustments to it. The dates declared in the roadmap seem little unrealistic, maybe I'm wrong. I'm also aware of the community efforts to port 3.x, but as far as I know that's hardly a production solution at the moment, no matter how big my hopes for the project are. Meanwhile, as Blazej indicated, hosting companies start to get rid of PHP4, it's already starting to disappear from some repositories as well. I've read that PHP4 won't be supported anymore after 2007, just don't know how official that is. It all adds up to little trouble at the end of the year for many eZ Publish users/admins and there seems to be little concern about it... -- Company: mediaSELF Sp. z o.o., http://www.mediaself.pl eZ references: http://ez.no/partners/worldwide_partners/mediaself eZ certified developer: http://ez.no/certification/verify/272585 eZ blog: http://ez.ryba.eu
zurgutt -	Friday 15 June 2007 12:43:31 am eZp 4 will not be eZp "port" to php5 as such but a new solution built from ground up. As we were told on conference there will be some tools for migration from eZp 3 series but not a straightforward uprgade, so it is probably not a solution for existing production sites. I might have gotten it wrong but i think upcoming 3.10 series is going to be both php4 and php5 compatible and not too far away. Everyone is encouraged to try out the latest experimental php5 port and report any problems, upgrading some existing not-too-critical 3.9 site to it and have an eye out for problems would be most beneficial i believe. Extra hint: as reported on conference, lighttp setup instead of apache is an easy non-messy way to run both php4 and php5 in parallel, it even reportedly gives some speed gains. Certified eZ developer looking for projects. zurgutt at gg.ee
Kristof Coomans	Friday 15 June 2007 5:30:10 am Hi Zurgutt I think you misunderstood some points or they weren't clearly communicated by us :) eZ publish 4.0 will be a PHP 5 port of the current 3.10 branch, with some other things changed as well. It will not be compatible with PHP 4. More information will follow later. independent eZ Publish developer and service provider \| http://blog.coomanskristof.be \| http://ezpedia.org
Matthew Carroll	Sunday 17 June 2007 1:13:04 am I think zurgutt's confusion may have arisen because originally (if my memory serves me correctly) eZp 4.0 was going to be a ground-up rewrite in php 6? based on ezcomponents, or something like that. Apparently plans changed, I'm not sure exactly when though, but I'm very glad there will be an official php 5 port. Anyway, we are also feeling the "php 5 pressure" - Debian will drop php 4 with the release of Lenny - http://bugs.debian.org/418268 - and consequently drop it from testing before then. Since we run testing at the moment on our server (currently co-hosting 11 ezpublish sites) this issue is a ticking bomb for us - eZp is the only application holding us back from moving completely to php 5. http://carroll.org.uk
zurgutt -	Sunday 17 June 2007 9:23:49 am Ok, i have obviously gotten it wrong then. True, eZp 4 has been mentioned on all three last conferences I have been to and the information has been very contradictory. If this latest information holds I have some mixed feelings about it being a port from 3 series. Mostly eZp 3 is good and not changing the concepts too much will smoothen transition. But there is also danger that some of the crud that should be changed for good will not be fixed and that would be a pity. What comes to mind: workflows, ini-hell, extension complexity, basicly not-working pdf generation and webdav, totally uncommented templates, multisite setup complexity. We will see what future holds. One worry that i have is, that the eZp 4 specs will not be released to public early enough to have community feedback and influence on development, everyone from ez systems seemed extremely tight-lipped about the details. I kind of got the feeling that community opinion was unwanted. I hope I am wrong. But, if it is to be released in end of 2007, as was hinted, then the specs must be well underway already, there is just few months left. I want this information shared :) Certified eZ developer looking for projects. zurgutt at gg.ee
Paul Borgermans	Sunday 17 June 2007 12:20:16 pm @Matthew http://ez.no/community/news/community_newsletter_2_9th_february_2007 @Zurgutt The php5 port will be more than just the current 3.9/3.10 running on php5. How much of the weaker points in the current series will be replaced is not made public since the effort is quite substantial. We are now very much focussed on eZ Publish 4, that's for sure. Paul eZ Publish, eZ Find, Solr expert consulting and training http://twitter.com/paulborgermans
Sam Lalonde	Monday 02 July 2007 8:15:58 pm I cannot fathom why ez would not have upgraded their system to PHP 5.x by now. You are loosing customers.
Andreas Kaiser	Wednesday 04 July 2007 2:57:43 am I think the ezp4 roadmap change to PHP5 was the right decision and this demonstrates how good ez systems handles the community feedback... <i>Sam Lalonde wrote: "I cannot fathom why ez would not have upgraded their system to PHP 5.x by now. You are loosing customers."</i> Other cms haven't done yet these ports 100%, for example Joomla or Drupal aren't 100% PHP5 compatible (because they have some problems in some PHP5 installations) In my opinion ez systems products have an excellent quality and the PHP5 port will have this excellent quality and getting this level of quality needs some time... eZ Partner in Madrid (Spain) Web: http://www.atela.net/
Paul Forsyth	Wednesday 04 July 2007 4:39:19 am I like the current plan for 4.0 providing it does see the light of day at the end of this year :) Im sure it will. What i like to see sometime soon is the plan for eZ 4.1. The reason i bring this is up is that there is a perfectly good reimplementation plan here: http://ez.no/community/articles/ez_publish_4_0_features_list which eZ spent a lot of time creating. There must be many good chunks from this which are still relevant to eZ publish and indeed eZ components. So, whats next after 4.0? :) Paul
Andreas Kaiser	Thursday 05 July 2007 3:01:51 am Well this new update is a little disturbing: <i>"As announced by eZ Systems at the eZ publish Conference 2006, eZ publish 4.0 will not include a port to PHP 5 or 6"</i> I think this is the 3rd or 4th change in ezp 4.0 roadmap referring to php version... Also the roadmap (http://ez.no/ezpublish/roadmap) still states that there will be a PHP5 port... Personally I'm not worried about this, because we use ezp on dedicated servers where we have installed PHP4 (but how much time PHP4 will have security updates??!!) Also, the final client doesn't mind if the solution uses PHP4, 5 or ASP... He wants that the solution works... anyway the PHP5 port of Kristof's seems to be faster than the PHP4 version... eZ Partner in Madrid (Spain) Web: http://www.atela.net/
Paul Borgermans	Thursday 05 July 2007 3:27:22 am Hi Andreas that "new update" is not new, it is old :-) eZ Publish 4.0 will definately be on PHP5 We're working on it now ;-) Cheers Paul eZ Publish, eZ Find, Solr expert consulting and training http://twitter.com/paulborgermans
kracker (the)	Thursday 05 July 2007 3:35:54 am Andreas, Your mistaken, reading old news and miss-interpreting it. Still these inconsistencies in the old news are irrelevant (IMHO ;) Those who engage, participate and walk the path of eZ know that all of this is coming very quickly to the quickening which will change everything you think you know. If you listen carefully you could realize that there is little reason to continue to pain on and on on this small technical detail which has already been addressed in a major way with the existing php5 port. Or rather ask yourself do you want eZ v4 on time or news about the goals they are/should continue working towards? The news will come when the software is ready. Patience is a must ... keep working. <b>They</b> are coming and they will be packing heat ... The next major release (what i'm calling rev4) <i>will</i> provide php5 compatibility, I bet you $100.00 USD Nuff said, <i>//kracker Limp Bizkit : Think about it ...</i> Member since: 2001.07.13 \|\| http://ezpedia.se7enx.com/